Episode 033

DJ Billy Kenny & Max Charnas

DJ Billy Kenny @BillyKennyMusic is a British DJ, Producer, and head of A&R for electronic music label This Aint Bristol. 

Max Charnas @charnizard is a writer and blogger for the same label - a label known for its confounding ability to make you feel like a grasshopper at a grasshopper party. 

We were lucky enough to have Billy join the bus for an EDC exclusive conversation. Why? Because Billy is the closing act on the Cosmic Meadow stage at music festival @EDC_LasVegas (Electric Daisy Carnival); analogous to the Super Bowl of electronic music festivals. Spoiler Alert: he plays an exclusive - the intro of his EDC set. 

From stories of their youth and acid experiences to music influences and song discovery, Billy and Max give a real look into their lives during this riveting conversation. 

To hear DJ Billy Kenny's music and read Max's visually entrancing track descriptions - Go to the This Aint Bristol Souncloud page 

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Billy: First, you definitely have to give the cheers.

Daniel: Cheers boys.

Brandon: Cheers boys.

Billy: Just to mention that Max has a huge bowl of tequila and we have normal drinks like beer and gin.

Brandon: It’s my first time drinking Hendrick’s Gin.

Billy: Really? How do you feel about it?

Brandon: Good. Last time I had some gin was like bootlegged in Kuwait. It’s a dry country, so someone just brought it in from an embassy. It’s a dry country, so anything you have get caught with it, arrested, I might get a finger chopped off or two but--

Billy: It’s like Dubai.

Max: And how does bootleg Kuwaiti gin compared to Hendrick’s?

Brandon: No, no. We got good-- we had some Bombay or something. We were able to get it in, but it’s expensive. It’s like $400 a bottle for anything bought in black market. If you get someone to make some, so like chemistry teachers in schools there will make some, you know, Moonshine or--

Billy: I like gin, but not that much.

Brandon: They’ll make some Moonshine like that. It is decent, but you’re trusting a chemistry teacher that came to Asia whose teaching high school.

Billy: It’s like trusting an acid chemist, I guess, you got to know like you wouldn’t do it unless it was like your best, best friend that knows that guy. That kind like that.

Brandon: And how much acid is probably made like that, you just don’t even know it.

Daniel: All of it.

Billy: It’s true. Every last drop.

Daniel: So we got Max Charnas, we got Billy Kenny, co-founders of This Ain’t Bristol music label.

Max: Only neither of us are actually co-founders but we are-- we run the label with the three guys in Germany that are the founders of it.

Daniel: I boxed that one completely, right there.

Billy: Yeah, a lot of people make the same mistake, pretty much everyone.

Daniel: Strike one to me. Well guys, welcome On The Bus.

Max: Thanks for having us.

Daniel: Maybe a quick background, let’s start with you Billy.

Billy: My name is Billy Kenny, I’m a Producer, DJ. I started DJing and producing around the same time like 11 years ago. I sucked for about four years. I probably still suck now, but I seem to be doing well. The last-- sorry, I moved to LA, six months ago. Before that, I spent the last three years in Germany. I’m absolutely loving LA. Met Max about a year ago. We clicked like let’s work clockwork and moved here and it could have been any better.

Brandon: Nice, how’d you two come together?

Billy: So this is-- can we talk about that? I’d rather not.

Max: We just met at Facebook group where we shared music and I thought that Billy would be interested in sharing some music. And I knew that he would be tight with the rest of the guys. And it just worked out that Miami Music Week was a few weeks after I invited him in this Facebook group. And there was This Ain’t Bristol rooftop party on the one hotel roof which is fucking beautiful. And we showed up like two or three guys just worked out.

Billy: Like 15 girls.

Max: Just like that--

Billy: It’s the only reason they brought [inaudible 0:04:52]

Max: Right, where like 15 of higher state girls in town and that kind of solidified our credibility and we were friends ever since.

Brandon: What WMC was this? This past?

Billy: 2016

Brandon: 2016

Billy: Yeah.

Brandon: Yeah, I think, I was at the last party you guys had, WMC rooftop-- what’s that Strip club?

Max: At the E11EVEN

Brandon: At the E11EVEN Strip club.

Max: Did you have a good time?

Brandon: Yeah, I did.

Max: Did you make any friends?

Billy: Dude wait, what did you say had a good time, did you spend it up on the rooftop with us or do someone in the strip club?

Max: That was my question.

Brandon: I was upstairs.

Daniel: We were upstairs, yeah, yeah.

Billy: Okay, good.

Daniel: You’re back to back-- back to back Mija?

Billy: Yeah, yeah, that was like just spontaneous 

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Billy: But it went out so, so well and we did it again in Detroit this recently. And I think she’s coming with me tomorrow to Santa Barbara. Dude actually just sent me like a—I was thinking I refer my driver-- so she’d be able to fit in, then she lets you do sprint [inaudible 0:05:41] like a rental Mustang for like $60 and then like the trip, the [inaudible 0:05:46], and that was just like question mark. I was like ,”Fuck yes.” I think we might end up renting a Mustang tomorrow and just like driving it up there.

Brandon: Yeah, yeah, yeah, we really like the drum and bass. You guys really infusing in that set. There’s a lot of drum and bass.

Billy: Yes, he is a big fan of drum and bass than I am, so we went-- that’s what I’m saying like we vibe so all together. It was the first time, I’ve never even met her. And we actually share the same booking as in he found her, like before she was like anybody, the same as me, really. And so like we kind of connected that way.

Brandon: Where is she from?

Billy: She is actually from Phoenix, but she lives in LA, now.

Brandon: Bad ass. Hey Max, go ahead, introduce yourself right now.

Max: You’re okay. Max Charnas, I’m from Cleveland, Ohio, originally. Grew up--Cleveland Is The Reason.

Daniel: clearly just talking about that song, right before--.

Brandon: That mix tape too.

Daniel: The mix tape, yeah.

Max: We were just playing out when you guys walked in. I had a friend last night who said her favorite album was A Kid Named Cudi. So we’ve playing that ever since. But Grew up in Cleveland for the first 18 years of my life in the same house. And went to The Ohio State University and graduated from Ohio State. And moved to Chicago. Chicago for the past three years and got a call from Billy about nine months ago, when I was in my apartment in Chicago and he--

Billy: I was in the middle of a meeting with the rest of This Ain’t Bristol team by the way and we were talking about how Max could-- sorry to interrupt, how Max could contribute to the label, great writer, had a bunch of amazing ideas, not really been involved in a business like that in that market, but it was like a fresh mind and it all-- it all just-- he was just so quick with everything. And he had ideas that we’d never even thought of because he’s like a fresh mind from-- not from that background.

Max: The American perspective, yeah, for sure. And flew to Germany and I went for a weekend for a couple events, one in Berlin and one in Hannover and the rest is history. Got involved, initially, from a writing perspective and then as I prove myself, got more involved in the business and event side and then Billy came up with the spark of an idea to move to LA and never looked back.

Billy: You already saw as an idea, that I remember you telling me a story about your father was-- he was saying that, he always wanted to move to California and he wished he would have done that kind of thing.

Max: Yeah, my Dad has this-- had this image since I can remember of him having a house on the beach and a red Porsche 911 and a golden retriever.

Billy: That’s his, next year minus the golden retriever.

Brandon: How American dream, right there.

Max: Yeah, exactly. And that kind of always stuck in my head, so I figured I could be the first up moving out here and now he has a reason to visit. And him and my brother are coming to visit in a couple of months. And I’m gonna do Vegas and LA sort every time.

Brandon: How’d you guys like the Clubbing’s in Germany compared to here? Especially you, was it your first time there when you went?

Max: It was, it was. In Germany, instantly became one of my favorite countries. Germany and Israel are my two favorite countries outside of the United States.

Brandon: You don’t normally hear that right there.

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Billy: Club in LA is-- I say clubbing is like dark dunk in in like-- I feel like people-- I mean, not in just America, but just from what I’ve seen, they just seem a lot more-- sort of--

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Billy: Here in front of-- like America when it comes to like any kind of techno-- tech house kind of sound.

Max: For sure and I think outside of that as well. They’re actually more into the music. If you look at the pictures you can find them, some of the pictures from our events in Germany. You don’t see, practically, anyone in their phone. Maybe one person out of three hundred there’s on their phone. And you look at our pictures, even though our event here was amazing and we had loved the crowd that was there and there’s so much energy, everybody was dancing. There’s something about Americans where you need to capture every moment and show your friends how much fun you’re having in order to have a good time yourself. And that kind of takes away from the vibe and the actual being in the moment that some of the European or clubs in Germany have.

Brandon: Is it due to, you know, electronic music being more infused in the culture there and being around much more longer. That seems like it’s an unwritten rule or unwritten etiquette that people pick up on it. You don’t really see like a sign. You got to a place here like an Output in Brooklyn. It’s like, keep your phones in your pocket, keep them in your pants or we’re going to take them away.

Billy: We need signs of having that, saying that. 

Max: Yeah, yeah.

Billy: [inaudible 0:09:52] music actually came from Chicago, so you think that it be the opposite way around. I don’t know I just think-- I don’t know-- I don’t know why that is.

Brandon: There’s a great documentary-- and it just highlighted how it went from Chicago to Detroit. Kevin Saunderson, Jeff Mills and you know, how again, you know, we can play the sound that much in America, but the Europeans loved it and they’re getting flown over there and throw this parties in Italy and London.

Billy: [inaudible 0:10:20] see them around.

Brandon: It’s made of switch, made of transition, I mean, it’s still that [inaudible 0:10:26]

Billy: Maybe because it dried out sooner here-- dried out for a little while and then by that, you know, because maybe Europe was a little bit later and then, you know, later with that sound. So it became less cooler later on. So maybe in America, it became like a little bit uncool for a little while and maybe like Europe kind of took over a little bit and you’ve kept it alive, maybe. I think that’s--

Daniel: It feels like Europeans are so much more susceptible to understanding the sounds, like they’re quicker.

Billy: Do you think there’s more drugs in Europe than here?

Max: Yes.

Brandon: I think the culture is less uptight over there, especially socially.

Max: Absolutely, I mean you can drink when your 18.

Billy: You can probably-- yeah, okay there’s that. That’s a big one. Yeah, drinking once you’re 18 and that’s every single country in Europe. I could be wrong, but I’m-- like everyone I’ve been to, I’m pretty sure it’s 18.

Brandon: Primarily, yeah.

Max: I’m thinking of Chicago, I can’t really think of any clubs, any decent clubs that are 18+.

Billy: What do you think would happen if suddenly America turn their drinking to 18. I feel like you guys are just like, fuck shit up and it just like become a shit show country.

Daniel: There will be a grace period where everybody goes fucking wild, yeah.

Billy: It would, yeah, but then like in about three years you’d all like see the like dance, like the side effects to that and I think, you know, it’ll be just like massive fuck ups.

Daniel: Just you’re not used to it.

Max: Yeah, yeah.

Billy: Well I guess I don’t know, Like I feel comfortable in saying at least like two and five and on the 21s here have fake ID. So a lot of them still party and they all still love to party. And I’m confident and also saying that a lot of them do drugs.

Max: Yeah, I had a fake ID when I was 16.

Billy: Don’t do drugs kids by the way.

Max: I had my first fake ID when I was 16. I just sent $50 to Canada for a Maryland ID that didn’t have any Holograms but it was good enough to get into--

Billy: How did you get away with that? Like I had my first fake ID when I was 16 to be 18. And you were 16 trying to be 21.

Max: trying to be 21, exactly.

Billy: Who would let you in?

Daniel: It’s so much easier.

Brandon: Well I mean, you have like no facial hair too. So I can imagine how much younger you looked, even at 16.

Max: Right, the only people that would sell us beer were immigrants working at gas stations, I mean, they just wanted to make a buck.

Billy: fuck--

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Max: And we would tip them.

Brandon: Also they would-- most of those immigrants who do work at the gas stations, they own their own companies too. They are all franchises. So they are much more willing to make that extra buck.

Max: Yup, that makes perfect sense.

Brandon: Fueling the American economy, immigrants again for the win.

Max: I have no issue with that whatsoever.

Billy: I just have a funny story back when Max came to Germany. So we had a back to back show like Friday and Saturday. So Friday was our home town Hannover which always goes off best, probably my favorite club in the world to play at, it’s called Vandam. And we throw all of This Ain’t Bristol parties there. We had-- so we had that on Saturday, but on the Friday, the day before, I was in Berlin at Kater Blau?

Max: No, Ritter Butzke.

Billy: Ritter Butzke. Yeah, and so like I actually-- I had to fly out like 7 AM. So Ritter Butzke, you have to imagine as well the party is going to like, I guess like 10 AM and I had to fly out and leave the party, leave everyone there, 7 AM to fly to Amsterdam. I was playing in a festival there and then the plan was to fly back from Amsterdam to Hannover because we had our show there on the Saturday. So I actually missed my flight and I didn’t even make it to that show, so like, you know, Max is my friend and like I brought him along and like I couldn’t party at the best time ever. Stayed at my place as well. He actually-- he met some girl at the party and ended up like going back to her place and problem this is like a 30 minute train drive away. It’s like she was super dedicated to getting him home. And finally, he got like really drunk, fell down the platform of the fucking train. Got embarrassed to get there in the end. So in the morning, this girl’s mother, she lives with her parents. This girl’s mom cooked him breakfast. Like if you’re not winning when that’s-- like what is winning if it’s not that?

Max: Cooked me breakfast and she worked for Lufthansa and switched my--

Billy: Lufthansa

Max: Lu-lu-- whatever.

Daniel: That’s the real hook-up, yeah.

Max: And she-- yeah, and she switched my seat to an aisle seat for free which is-- that was the real hook-up.

Billy: It’s like, “Thanks for fucking my daughter.”

Max: But yeah, the train in London it says, “Mind the gap.” doesn’t say--

Billy: So you didn’t mind it because he didn’t tell you too, totally get that.

Max: And I was-- after eight hours of drinking, you can understand how--

Brandon: America put the phones away, we forget, we forget. If we don’t see a sign, we want liability everywhere.

Max: I was looking deep into her eyes. I wasn’t looking anywhere near the train platform.

Billy: Thinking about what you’re going to go with your lustful eyes. I’ve seen those eyes many times Max.

Max: My friends call them Max’s eyes.

Billy: Max’s eyes.

Max: They can either be creepy or enchanting apparently.

Billy: I won’t even say enchanting. Let me see the creepy one.

Max: And that’s-- 

Billy: Do it now. Wow! I would definitely cook you breakfast if you fuck my daughter.

Daniel: Yeah, if only you could see that.

Max: And that’s why people think we’re gay.

Brandon: Max’s eyes.

Billy: I tell everyone, we’re like, we’re gay-- we’re gay couple that just don’t [inaudible 0:15:18] that’s what I say. 

Max: In West Hollywood.

Brandon: If you live together automatically assume.

Billy: To say how, how-- yeah, we live in West Hollywood too.

Brandon: Do you guys caption everything with a #Buttstuff as well.

Billy: We should start. We should start, I’m down.

Max: You live that motto.

Billy: I do. I’m a big fan of anal, with women.

Brandon: Specify, always specify.

Billy: You’re going to get that out there. This time nobody gets—

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Brandon: Especially living, again, in West Hollywood.

Max: Do you think you would ever wear a shirt for a show that just said, “Anal.”

Billy: I would one million percent do that.

Max: We need to make “Anal” shirts.

Billy: All right I’m down.

Daniel: Do you go for anal first?

Billy: No, definitely not, no. I got to treat them nice first.

Brandon: Yeah, what’s nice?

Billy: What’s nice about anal?

Brandon: No before that. Well how do you treat them nice.

Billy: Well I don’t-- yeah I do-- wait. A little rough, you know, with consent. I ask them first.

Max: Make love before anal.

Billy: Yeah, totally, totally.

Max: Yeah, I think that’s what--

Billy: That’s like my reward for making love.

Brandon: But I don’t think there’s anything that you can’t go butt stuff back into vaginal. I think there’s something where you get a girl--

Billy: You’re not supposed to but, I mean, like you can-- double dipping is--

Daniel: No one has ever complained. I’ve never had one.

Billy: Yeah, not a complain, but I mean, like that thing you get bacteria there and you’re not really supposed to do it. But you’re not really supposed to put your dick in her ass hole to be honest and--

Max: We do a lot of stuff we’re not supposed to do.

Billy: It’s not made for that. That’s what I’m saying.

Daniel: It’s a hole, though.

Billy: Yeah, it is, it is. Do you put your dick in someone’s ear?

Daniel: I contemplated.

Billy: Yeah, same, same.

Daniel: Let me think about it.

Billy: Let me know when you work that out. How that works out.

Max: You know, I wonder if there actually is a dick in ear fetish.

Billy: Let’s google right now.

Max: The internet has absolutely—all right.

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Billy: I’m faster than you. I’m googling as he talks.

Max: Your porn. Your porn. But that could just be like central ear touching.

Billy: I feel like I shouldn’t look at this. I feel like it’ll be really, really severe and not nice.

Brandon: But at least you would see it and we wouldn’t see it yet. In the meantime, how do you, like working with the label, how do you like making that transition in there? How’s it been?

Max: It has been the most fun and the most fulfilling thing that I have ever done. It’s the first time in my life that I’ve actually worked, before I started working at Hyperloop, it was the first time in my life that I was actually doing something where I was proud of every ounce of effort that I put in and--

Daniel: So it’s-- I see people with gages. People with gages and they-- and then they’re putting-- so girls are getting gages, so that the gape is super wide in the ear and then they’re putting they’re dick in the ear.

Max: See, now I’m never going to be able to see a gage hole without thinking about a dick in it. Damn it. No but it’s been amazing and especially it was great to find an outlet for writing because I think that writing is my only like natural talent. It’s something that I’ve never taken classes in or practice at all and I can pick up and speak my mind pretty well on a blank page. So it was cool to find an outlet for that. And the passion for music being able to interview some of this awesome artist and further the movement that is This Ain’t Bristol.

Brandon: What process goes into writing elec-track music, I mean?

Max: I’m talking about writing blogpost, track descriptions.

Brandon: Got you, got you. I was like--

Billy: I thought that’s such a hard job because everyone-- it’s so hard not to be cheesy and Max does it so well and that this is what why we like pretty much straight away.

Max: Thanks buddy.

Billy: Like he wasn’t like, I mean, people use metaphors way too much and cheesy metaphors.

Max: Sound design.

Billy: And you-- you know like, I feel like I just read the same thing over and over again when it comes to the track and it’s hard to be like quirky, yeah, without being cheesy and he does it really well.

Max: Thank you. And the Benski—I believe it was Benski that came up with the idea. One of the founders in Germany, came up with this awesome idea that instead of doing traditional SoundCloud track descriptions where you kind of describe the actual sounds in the music, now we write stories for little mini short stories or settings for all of the tracks that we put on SoundCloud. So you can kind of transport to a place when you put on this track and appreciate a little bit more inside your head.

Brandon: Do you have a quick example of one on top of your head?

Max: SoundCloud is such a shitty app. I would love to bring one up and read-- read one to you right now. You have your laptop in front of you.

Daniel: Is there SEO involved in what your-- like do you guys focus on that kind of marketing aspect or it don’t matter to you.

Max: We-- I would say that the close-- well actually, one of my main initiatives and something that really bothered me when I first started working for the label was that when you googled the name of the label. Our website, wouldn’t even come up on the first few pages. It was our SoundCloud, our Facebook, our Instagram, our Twitter, and-- but our actual website thisaintbristol.com wouldn’t be one of the search results. 

So I spent endless hours trying to figure out why the hell isn’t our actual website, the thing that comes up when you search the label, and I did some research and some work in the link building into a little bit of the very basic coding of the website and now when you search This Ain’t Bristol, both our website, and our store, and our blog are the first things that come up. So that was-- as small as that is, is maybe unimportant as that seems, that was something that really bugged me and something that we fixed early on.

Daniel: I don’t even remember what we’re looking up.

Max: We’re looking up some of the track descriptions that we write.

Billy: So we’re not looking up the ear fucking anymore.

Max: Yeah, what happen to the—

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Billy: I actually got one up and I actually think it was actually ear fucking in there, but I try to get the-- there was no sound in there. I thought it would be funny while Max was talking to like just get a few moans and groans in there.

Max: Here’s an example, okay, for Kyle Watson’s-- our last release Kyle Watson’s road trip. The track description that we came up with was, “It’s time to pack up the car and our daredevil is excited for the final of his many ‘Road Trips’ across the vast continent. He throws on the booming stereo in the auto, while nodding his head to the reverberating and lengthy base under the scattered layers of the somehow dark, but uplifting organ progression. The open road is his muse and his journey to the ocean. 

The waves are rolling in on this crisp summer day in Cape Town-- Cape town is from South Africa-- and he feels confident. “Boom clap boom clap boom clap” is what he hears from the strong current striking against the rocks in the shoreline. He feels the persistent rhythm of the South Atlantic Ocean as he paddles out under the sinking sun. The warrior mounts the first swell perfectly and utters a subconscious, yet triumphant ‘Uh’ as he descends from the peak”. The second track is called “Uh” and then the last paragraph and the last track is, 

“The sun begins to reach the horizon and the colors of the sky bounce and refract through the water, giving the scene an almost psychedelic feel. The seagulls click through the water searching for prey and they create scattered synths and sonorous cymbals from under the water. This whole day is starting to feel get ‘Kinda Wavy.’” and Kinda Wavy is the name of the last track.

Billy: I think you should definitely put some amazing music to the back of that.

Brandon: Good to answer one right there.

Billy: Just do some really dreamy like ocean music, while he says that. Girls would-- guys would even jerk off to that. I’d fall asleep to that. That sounded really bad. I didn’t mean it that way.

Max: Would you rather fall asleep to that or my loop of a thunderstorm. Do you like that by the way?

Billy: No, I tried it one night, but I was actually with a girl like I wanted to try it there we’re just like, “I really don’t want to do that.” and I was like, “Okay.” and then I didn’t think about it again.

Max: I think girls think it’s really weird, but none that had ask me to turn it off. I sleep-- I found a downloader or my friend Ethan found a download of an actual recorded thunderstorm that’s an hour long and I just loop it on iTunes and that’s how I sleep. I started at junior year in the fraternity house when it was so loud that I needed some kind of background noise to be able to drown everything out.

Billy: It’s great because when I want to make noise, it does not bother you whatsoever.

Max: Exactly. I can drown at any of your sex noises.

Billy: Whenever I tell anyone as well, specifically females, they’re just like, “That is so cute. that’s the cutest.” I find it cute too.

Brandon: The thunderstorm loop?

Billy: Like for the first month though, he’d like leave it on every fucking morning, like no, sorry no. First month of going-- starting work. Because you started work like a what, a month later? After the savage--

Max: No, we had three months here before I started work.

Billy: God. Yeah, those three months, they were hard.

Max: That probably took years off of us.

Billy: I’m surprised you survive those.

Max: Seriously.

Billy: We were not working. We were just-- we just moved to LA. Like every single day, there’s some dude is like, “Oh, party here. Oh, party here.” 

Max: Too many aggressive Tuesdays.

Billy: There’s too many aggressive weeks. There’s too many aggressive Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sundays.

Brandon: Yeah, we went to Sound last night and for a Tuesday night the place was-- was slammed.

Max: I know it’s summer vacation.

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Brandon: Last night.

Max: I didn’t know they were that.

Billy: They were there last night? Oh my God.

Brandon: Before you guys got there. Yeah, yeah.

Billy: Damn.

Brandon: I did not know. We walked in like Tuesdays, I mean, most of this kids maybe are in summer vacation but--

Billy: Yeah, our homie-- like one of the guy in This Ain’t Bristol is actually playing at 9:30, so we went there to support him. And I left there, I think like an hour and half, two hours later because we started playing the track and stuff.

Daniel: We were still there.

Brandon: Yeah, they are playing the heavy dub step.

Max: That’s when we left.

Billy: I mean, I like that once in a blue moon and like the good old head bang and like lose some weight, but like I’m not into that like the whole time I can’t deal with it.

Max: There was one time that actually Billy and I spent an entire dubstep space--

Billy: Remember our next in the morning, oh my God.

Max: Yes, that’s what I’m about to say.

Billy: Yeah, go for it. Go.

Max: And we both woke up around the same time and we look at each other, “Dude, my neck is so fucking sore.”

Billy: We didn’t even put-- we didn’t even like think of like put those two together and like suddenly, you said, “Dude, we were just head banging all night” and I was like, “Oh my God, that’s it.” like I feel so sorry for anyone that really likes dub stepping girls at the party-- there was-- they’re probably like be one of those, you know, old people that that work at desks like all their life and then they have this kind of like hunchback, imagine them being like that. like the dubstep hunch back. I thought that’s going to be a thing in like 2025.

Brandon: My neck injuries plus the head banging if I go to festival, I’m done. All the way up in the back of my head. Migraines.

Max: Maybe there’s some market for some kind of device that you can wear on your neck if you’re a head banger that could relieve your neck like that could straighten your posture during head banging or relieve it.

Billy: What do you think the funniest, sort of, accident is during a party? I remember, I was really, really high with a girlfriend of mine and we were talking, you know, like I just connected-- we connected really well when you’re high. You have seven people and you’re high with them, like you’re getting deep conversations that even a meaningful when we are not high. So I had this conversation with her about like, imagine if I played a set and like it had such a build up and such a drop that like three people had like fits at the same time kind of thing. And then like because the three people at that same time during that same track that same festival had it all the same time you can pin to that track. it’s like you’d be like--

Max: Fit-- fit-- is seizure-- is seizure for--

Billy: Yeah, seizure. Yeah, sorry, seizure. 

Brandon: Epileptic, yeah.

Billy: So Imagine like three people at the same time, it’s like proof that it’s because of that drop like everyone just [inaudible 0:26:13] like the lights to that drop and we find that so funny. We always talked about for the whole hour.

Max: That sounds like an SNL skit honestly. A drop so good that it kills people.

Brandon: That’s This Ain’t Bristol.

Billy: Well actually, I didn'twant to go too dark-- I didn't want to go too dark but we actually, it wasn't a seizure. It was-- we're talking about three people like seizuring and dying. And three people die, like imagine being that producer like -- just like imagine the headlines, it's like three people die simultaneously at drop at festival.

Max: The autopsy is like cause of death--

Billy: I'm not going to lie like that's the most I feel awful even I was that producer but you'd also just be like known as that cool motherfucker that produced the track that actually killed three people because it was so fucking-- so much of a banger.

Brandon: That was like Eminem just like--

Billy: Lucky, I wish I was that guy.

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Billy: I don't mind if three people have a seizure, I feel like they'd get over that and they'd probably laugh about with their friends. So I wouldn't mind if three to ten people had a seizure at the same time during a drop of my track.

Brandon: Now take Eminem though, 25 years ago, when, you know, all these moms was this Christian rights groups are blaming him, you know, bad language makes bad kids and my kids aren't going to behave, they're not going to listen with that. But now the future, epileptic seizures causing death. I mean, you go to music festival though, you're on the grounds, that's happening though, I mean, people just don't even know they have epilepsy and they go to these festivals. Electronic stimulation “bam”.

Billy: The only we know is if you got like say definitely probably more than three, but they all have to go the med area at the same time and they'd have to have a chat with each other and be like, "Yeah, it was that fucking drop. Like I ride that drop, it happened.” and then “Oh my God the same, same.” and then like the other guy is like, "Oh my God, the same and it feels like, totally fame, Oh my God, it was totally that drop we all just like seizure because of that." and like then I feel like then that being talked about would be.

Max: And then kids are going to start trying to have seizures the whole fucking new

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Brandon: Walk Hard from Dewey Cox when everybody he starts playing his music for the first time, everybody starts touching each other. Kids take their clothes off. It's like, devil’s music right there.

Billy: I do that all the time.

Max: That's a super underrated movie. That the whole scene where I think he smokes weed for the first time and he walk him through like he doesn't want it and, “You don't want this Dewey.” 

Daniel: Most highly quoted lines.

Max: Right.

Daniel: That scene which we know with our friends right there.

Max: Yeah, yeah and very few people have seen that movie.

Billy: Do you remember the first time you smoke weed Max?

Max: I do, it was I promise my friend Joe that I would get high if I gotten to UNC. So I was 17 and I got in the UNC and that night we went over to our friend Mass' house and smoked the bong for the first time. I think I had like six bong hits the first time I ever smoked.

Billy: Wow.

Max: Some people say you don't get high your first time. I was so--

Billy: Who ever said that?

Max: There's a rumor.

Daniel: People who have never smoked before. That way you don't do it.

Max: I was so stoned, I thought I was Chris Rock. I did an entire like Chris Rock routine and all I remember is my feet were really hot and I thought I was Chris Rock and I had a great time. And I don't recommend being intoxicated and driving, but I drove home top down with the breeze listening to Kid Cudi, stoned, I was so happy.

Brandon: That's what we call the ticket right there.

Billy: Yeah, I still-- I don't remember the first time I smoke weed, but I have a really cool story about like the era when I did start smoking weed as a kid. So I was really young, I was like 13 and this really intelligent-- you know this story Max-- I think so, anyway-- there's this really, really intelligent kid called James at my-- it was actually-- we went to primary together, but this was like when we first like left primary and stuff we still hang out. He was a really, really bright kid and he was like, "Dude, we need a way to get--" like I feel like people say this all the time, we need a way to get, basically get money, but he was like, "We need a way to get cigarettes and weed everyday and not have to care about it." I was like, "All right. I'll wait, I'll wait."

Brandon: Such a middle school mentality.

Billy: So yeah, yeah, it is. So anyway, this kid fucking nailed it. He fucking did and still like I've, you know, couple months-- no, sorry, couple weeks of talking about it. In an IT lesson in his high school-- we went to different high schools, he wrote up like a sponsored sheet, so like what he did is he proposed that like we were in a band and the sponsorship was like we need money to get a new guitar because our guitar is lost. We don't have money for it and whatever, but the catch to this, the cleverest part about this, was it was a sponsored silence. So our sponsor by what we were doing to get this money was like we'll be silent for say 48 hours, I can't remember exactly how long he said. 

But the best part about that is you literally knock on someone's door and show them the paper and they like they try to say something to you and you just like [inaudible 0:30:54] read, like point to the paper is like “I can't say anything, I'm supposed to be quite”, so they can't ask questions, they can't ask like which school are you from, they can't ask anything.

Brandon: I remember those charities. They use to do those.

Billy: So we use to knock on-- we knocked on every-- this was over the period of like two years, so we'd knock on that many doors and we literally had to get like a bus to the next like closes area that we had not touched yet and knock on there. And it would take us like five doors. I'm so sorry to everyone that gave us money for that, but we literally had weed and cigarettes everyday just because like the people are just like, "Oh they need a new guitar for their band that's [inaudible 0:31:30], sure I'll give you that." and people are generous in my hometown too.

Max: You shouldn't be sorry because that money that bought that weed could have been the weed that inspired you to start producing that now makes the music that they enjoy, how about that?

Billy: But I did actually stop that. I mean, I smoked for like three years maybe straight and then I didn't smoke again for six years and then I started again when I went on tour and obviously moved to California where, you know, it's not a big thing at all. Like, you know, you get caught with weed it's like, I mean, wouldn't even take off you.

Brandon: There's no such this as getting caught with weed.

Billy: Yeah, I know. It's not even a thing now.

Max: Yeah, in a couple of months.

Billy: I feel like, that's a good conversation to get on to. I feel like, you know, weed can be a very bad thing and a very good thing. I have a good friend of mine called Lindsey from Texas and she pick up Lindsey from Texas.

Daniel: What’s up Lindsey.

Billy: She stutters really bad. Whenever she smokes weed, she does not stutter once at all, whatsoever, you know, she hasn’t got a joint like she's like a stutter really bad. I don't know what it is and it stops that completely. Not one single stutter, it’s so strange and then, you know, the reason I started smoking it was being untired, it was hard to sleep and when I wanted to sleep I couldn't sleep and when I could, I thought I really have to use this time not to sleep and it became, you know, like a sleeping edge and I'd much rather do that then take Xanax every fucking night. And Xanax actually gives me sleep paralysis. I've taken that six times in my life and out of three of those I got sleep paralysis. 

so that's why I started smoking weed. But again back to like, it could be a good or bad thing. I feel like people are really, really abusing that. And it feel like California has got it right and so, you know, Denver and Oregon. Yeah, I think they've all got it right like by legalizing it, you know, if you got a med card, you know, you get a reason to smoke it. But I feel like they really need to put a limit on how much you can buy and that's where I think the problem lies because people are getting too high, too often and they're just constantly high.

Brandon: But people forget, we're still human beings and as you said before, Americans we like to take everything to the zenith once it becomes legal like you have mentioned before if the drinking became legalized 18.

Billy: You just lose your shit and just go all out.

Max: Yeah, I mean, binge drinking and drinking games are popularized here.

Brandon: Really?

Max: I believe it stems from college fraternity culture.

Billy: Yeah, agreed. Totally, you frat boys.

Max: And that, you know, like my parents are good example like they enjoy like a glass or two of wine or a beer or a beer or two. But then, when they see my brother and I going out and having six or eight drinks, they think we're crazy. And I don't know if it's-- if it's-- they don't maybe remember the way that they drank when they were young, but I do believe that there is a due to binge drinking and drinking games. Our generation drinks significantly more than the previous generation and as some studies I've seen already have been leading to higher risk of liver and kidney and that's scary because we do that every weekend.

Billy: Weekend?

Max: We do that every Tuesday.

Billy: We're talking about 20 minutes is like about 10 people on their way here to start drinking to Sound Nightclub. Let's change weekend to just week. Let’s call it week.

Max: True. Actually, something, something returning to-- we're talking about Eminem a little bit earlier and this kind of came to my head and I know that you like Eminem a lot as well. 

Billy: Huge Eminem fan. Old albums. Old, old albums.

Max: It's funny so I'm my mom's only child and Jewish mother she is super protective, but she never censored anything that I listened to. So I was eight years old listening to the hardest most aggressive, most violent Eminem lyrics like playing Pokemon. 

Billy: It’s a good combination.

Max: And it's kind of funny that all though-- and that leads me to, I know that I will never censor anything that my kids listen to because that did not affect me in its slightest negative way whatsoever.

Billy: That you're not a bad person at all.

Max: Thanks man.

Billy: And I feel like that expose to way-- I like this theory, I just thought of it now, it's not like something I've always thought about, but if you can expose yourself to negative things that way rather than actually like physically, you know, it gives you an idea of what all these negative things without actually being involved in them.

Max: That's a great point.

Billy: And you can look from an outside perspective and be like, "Okay, that's what that person did, I'm not going to do that."

Max: And good story tellers like Eminem talk about how he became that way, why he became that way and why he feels that way. And then you realize, “This is what I don't want to be involved in.” 

Billy: And he even like and he, you know, he's not that way now.

Max: No.

Billy: He's not at all.

Brandon: But being a human being-- it's-- even being a parent, excuse me, being a parent is so hard, you have to sit, figure out, how much you want to expose your kid to? What you want to expose them to? What's going to shape them? What's going to affect them? you know, you got to think 20 years in the future, 10 years in the future and you know, someone who maybe have that bad experience, drinking too much, partying too much.

Max: Sure, but I'm also on the other side where I think that to a certain degree that it really doesn't matter.

Billy: I feel like it's just like maybe like kids are un as well educated that probably follow what those people say. But people that, you know--

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Max: And the people don't have an example.

Billy: You know, having a better upbringing. They, you know, they decipher it in a different way. And they take it more like, "Okay, yeah, I'm not going to do that." I'll put in again, you know, the slightly, you know, less educated children might be like, "This is cool, I'm going to do this too. I want to be like Eminem." Which is why Miley Cyrus is a cunt.

Max: No, she's kind of cool man.

Billy: Fuck Miley Cyrus, man. She's such a bad role model. She's terrible.

Max: I disagree. I think she is beautiful and she is and--

Billy: She's beautiful, yeah, that doesn’t-- 

Brandon: Great singer.

Max: Hold on, hold on. I shouldn't have started with beautiful, but if you've listened to her speak on talk shows, she actually has a brain and she--

Daniel: She has a purpose behind the like the--

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Max: She does and she speaks for equal rights. Right, no I agree.

Billy: That's probably her manager talking for her, I don't know.

Max: No, I disagree man. I'm going to show you some Miley Cyrus interviews I think you're going to respect her more.

Billy: You know what, I'll hold my [inaudible 0:37:33] I don't know enough about Miley Cyrus--

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Max: I've never said, a negative word about her.

Billy: But from what I do know, I have that impression.

Brandon: Listen to her cover of Jolene. She can sing right there.

Max: Jolene is a great song.

Brandon: Her cover of it is amazing.

Max: Pretty wise Jolene is also beautiful track.

Daniel: I might have to listen right now.

Billy: Wait, was Miley Cyrus the one that like was like on that big swing that wrecking ball?

Max: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's a great video.

Billy: definitely right [inaudible 0:37:53]. Definitely thinking the right person. Cunt.

Brandon: Did you see her in Holland? In that purple butterfly outfit?

Max: No

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Daniel: The short hair--

Max: Are you a fan or not a fan of short?

Daniel: Yeah, I do. I'm a fan, for sure.

Billy: I'll give you this. I would definitely fuck Miley Cyrus's ear.

Brandon: Gage or no gages?

Billy: That's about it is.

Max: Beautiful lobes.

Billy: Yeah.

Max: Supple.

Billy: Damn. Just fucking lobes.

Brandon: I don't think Billy saw the gages though. Where you’re fucking the gages. That's what he found. Over here on the ear fucking debate.

Daniel: I found gages.

Billy: What are gages? What?

Daniel: Gages, like you know the hole?

Billy: Oh my God. Wow.

Daniel: Gaping gages.

Billy: I don't know any hot girl with gages. So I mean, well I guess you don't have to look at their face. Oh my God this is terrible. This is becoming terrible. I should not have said that.

Max: The woman that cuts my hair is shout out Elisa Floyd’s on Melrose has gages and she's beautiful, awesome girl. so I disagree.

Billy: You get the side-view as well, I guess. You get the side-view view.

Brandon: Yeah, but I think it's not going to be tight if she's taking thing out you have to have the ear lobe perfectly inserted to your cock.

Billy: You have to find the right size earlobe. That's it.

Brandon: It's a long term thing right there. She's going to have to grow those lobes to stretch those out for a while.

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Billy: It's like, "What size are those? like butthole size or like"

Max: Vagina size.

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Billy: And she's like, “Butt hole size” I'm like, "I'm in, all right, I got you."

Max: Added to marriage vows, I will grow gages the size of your dick.

Billy: Wait, you don't want the size of your dick. You want it like half the size of your dick.

Max: That's true. You want a little friction.

Billy: Friction. I thought we're going to cause a lot of friction talking about this any longer.

Brandon: Very thick lobe though because I mean that thing gets loose or too stretched out, I mean--

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Max: Oh no.

Billy: It's like oh God, like it can really snap.

Brandon: I'm really analyzing this now.

Daniel: Let's move on. Let's move on.

Max: Break an earlobe.

Daniel: Let's move on to nostrils, boom.

Max: I'm going to take another sip at tequila after that.

Billy: Awkward?

Brandon: No, no, not at all.

Billy: I'm fucking around.

Brandon: We're on the bus.

Billy: You got to say, “Awkward” when the silence otherwise it's not silence.

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Brandon: You finish at Ohio State, but you started in North Carolina or you transferred? 

Max: Yeah, no no. So I started at North Carolina and I went to--

Billy: What? I didn't know this.

Max: Yes, you did.

Billy: North Carolina, shit. 

Max: You have the memory of a squirrel.

Billy: God damn it I know you from North Carolina.

Max: The best barbeque in the land, man.

Billy: I didn't know that.

Max: Yeah, and I had a good time there.

Daniel: The barbeque in—

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Max: You can't compare like there is not, pulled pork is a completely different food anywhere in the South and Bojangles is the best fast food in the world. So I miss my friends there and I miss the food more than anything.

Billy: But would you really quickly--

Max: Yes.

Billy: Bojangle was a small bar in a place called Pudzy. It's like a small little village inside of Lidl, where I grew up. Called Bojangles and that was the first place I ever worked. I was a glass collector. And it was the first time I ever had anal too.

Brandon: In the bar?

Billy: I slept with one of the-- she was like five years older than me. She was one of the bar maids.

Daniel: What's a glass collector?

Billy: I just basically went round the club and pick up all the glasses after everyone, constantly. It was the worst fucking job ever. And then I go and put them all in the washer and then come back out. I was 16, but you're allowed to do that. You're allowed to work and of course you’re not drinking anything.

Max: My first job was worse than that. I was a-- what do you call it? A cash register person. Cash clerk?

Billy: Where at Walmart? Where?

Max: No, at OfficeMax and I was Max working at OfficeMax.

Billy: Wow. OfficeMax, Max.

Daniel: Did your parents make you do that?

Max: And of course I had to wear a name tag. Well they made me do something, so I wasn't sitting at home playing computer games.

Daniel: Listening in Eminem, yeah.

Max: Yeah. Listening to Eminem, exactly.

Brandon: Pokemon, Eminem, it's a deep slope.

Max: And the combination of every other customer going, "Oh, Max works at OfficeMax." and the fact that it was-- I work right before the school year started and they sell folders for a cent and every mom would-- they are pennies, so you can buy 100 folders, so why the fuck would you not buy 100 folders, but you not-- the cash registers didn't have quantity, so had to scan every single folder and the line would build up and I would-- that was 50 and half stressed out of my mind. And like my friend's moms would be in line just looking at me and I was just in this [inaudible] fucking nerd like glasses on.

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Billy: Max, Max, but Max if you had one shot, one opportunity, would you work at OfficeMax?

Max: I would probably cease it and never go there again. And the saddest thing is I go back there and the same people are working there that were working there when I was working there. And that's what it depresses me to see that.

Brandon: That is tough when you leave home and you go back and you see those same people doing the same thing, telling the same stories.

Billy: I hate it. I was a totally different person now. I hate back home. I was a little shit like I have like criminal convictions, I was like into that.  After I was 18, I calmed the fuck down, a lot. But I was just surrounded by all the kids that like, this is why I'm so fucked up I guess. I don't know I was surrounded by all the kids, uneducated, we were all uneducated and I feel like the only reason I am slightly educated is just from traveling and speaking to people and having conversations like this.

Max: Sounds like your life was Trainspotting.

Billy: Could it be the same but I didn't heroin.

Max: Without heroin.

Billy: Minus the heroin, I didn't do that.

Max: [inaudible 0:43:05] no heroin.

Billy: Just once. just kidding.

Brandon: True story. That whole scene, I almost pull that whole scene off, this one-- it was in Holland, Amsterdam, first time, 22 years old. We did some mushrooms, go to Van Gogh museum. We run into some Japanese kid who was apparently in Holland to buy a saxophone. He flew across the world to buy a saxophone here, he eats some mushrooms in the coffee shop before like, “Listen you want to come with us. We're going to have a great day today. You seem like an interesting character.”

Billy: Did you not hear of FedEx?

Brandon: Huh?

Billy: Did you not hear of FedEx?

Brandon: When we said that?

Billy: No, I'm saying why is he going all the way to Europe to get a sax

Brandon: He was a big time, apparently--

Billy: He want to check it out, he want to blow it first, right.

Brandon: And he had all this cash on him, thousands of dollars to buy this instrument. Ride a park, [inaudible 0:43:50] I'm going to go buy some ice cream. Remember the scene in Trainspotting where he looks at his best friend and the 20k is on the table right there and he looks over he's like, "We're high on mushrooms--"

Billy: 20k damn.

Brandon: No, in Train Spotting the 20k.

Billy: All right, sorry, sorry, okay sorry about that.

Brandon: He got a few grand there and I'm like, look at my friends squeaky actors on the show today, “we should take the money, let's go and do it.” he’s like, “No, what's wrong with you don't fucking touch it.” We waited around, but I was very tempted.

Billy: I would totally fucking take it. Just half, I'd leave half. I'll be like, "All right dude, you know I'm an asshole, but I'm not much of an asshole. I'm not going to leave you with nothing."

Brandon: You will still get a saxophone, but it wouldn't be as good.

Billy: It'll be a saxophone that you get back and-- well, you came from America?

Brandon: No from Japan.

Billy: Oh from Japan. So it can be a saxophone and get Japan. You have to fly back home and then get one back there now.

Brandon: Keisuke.

Billy: But I'm sure you had a great time and where did you go to get it?

Brandon: Amsterdam.

Billy: Amsterdam, yeah.

Brandon: that time and taking mushrooms, I mean, he has gold cocaine box, I mean, he was taking huge. Very Victoria age.

Billy: Wow. This guy is prepared.

Daniel: Yeah, you're like—

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Billy: For everything is that someone is stealing his money.

Brandon: We want to buy everybody ice cream. It seems like a nice gesture.

Billy: 20 grand I would be able to buy everyone in fucking Amsterdam ice cream.

Daniel: He left it there.

Max: Speaking of mushrooms. Billy recently had your first-- my first psychedelic experience.

Brandon: Really.

Billy: That was two months ago. I'm going to try and make it short as possible. We don't have massive amount of time. So since coming to America, I feel like Acid has lived on in America a lot longer that it has in Europe. Maybe I just don't know the circle of friends that would be into that. Because whomever I speak to now, when I speak to friends in the UK, they're like, "Oh no, I've done that." But I've never even heard about it. I knew what it was, but I didn't know anybody who have done it. So anyway, I've always been very scared of not being control-- not like, you know, psychedelics kind of going wrong and like me not being able to get out of it or thinking the wrong thing or anything like that.

Max: And getting too much into your own head.

Billy: My Ex-girlfriend Emily, I-- you know, she done it before and I got really fascinated with it after coming here and start speaking to friends about it and it become almost an obsession, but I was still very scared about it and I would ask everyone I met if you've done Acid going to say.

Max: Especially because a ton of because who have always told-- have told you that they triple your sets and have an amazing time.

Billy: Yeah, yeah, definitely. I mean, like one good friend of ours and actually we all share--

Daniel: I think the first time I ever done Acid was at your set.

Billy: Wow.

Daniel: That's the first time I ever did. I just realized that.

Billy: You can jump out really quick and they go back in but Monique, you know, common friend of Monique, I'd never met her before, but I found out later after becoming friends with her that she took five fucking tabs of Acid at my set at ABC last year and she lost her mind, it was the best set of her life. And I was like, "Oh my God, like fucking hug me, that’s amazing." So anyway, back to that, so my Ex-girlfriend was like, you know, I'll do it with you, I've done it before. Let's go to somewhere awesome, you know, I'll pick a spot. I'll be prepared, whatever. So we have one day to do it and I kind of backed out and I was like, "Oh no" and then like we had another day and that morning I was just so ready. I was just like, "Yes." 

Max: The sun was shining.

Billy: I was so-- like I was just like, "Let's get there, let's get there." So we plan the trip at 12 in a really private club in like Malibu beach.

Brandon: Beach Palm.

Billy: Those two or maybe like two other people.

Brandon: I did some mushrooms there this weekend, I know.

Billy: You did?

Brandon: Yeah.

Billy: Okay, amazing. So you know the location. It's like these metal stairs that you go all the way down.

Brandon: I didn't go to that exact location but I was in Malibu, brought some mushrooms.

Billy: So anyway, we're suppose to get there 12 because the parking at this place, you have to get out before 7:30. We ended up getting there really late, it was 2:30. We obviously parked at this place and we're just like, "Whatever, we need to do it now." so we did it and it was amazing, you know, she tripped a lot quicker than I did. It was like forty minutes in she's tripping balls like running circles around and like to shed this like shawl on.

Daniel: Making sand art

Billy: floating around, yeah, just floating around I was just watching her like, "When the fuck am I going to be like that?" and then so like an hour comes goes by and I'm like, "Should I do another half?" because we ate a half each. She's very susceptible to it and she told me that. So we just did a half each and thought it would be safe. And I don't condone this by the way guys, I just want to throw it out there--

Brandon: Not for everyone.

Billy: Yeah, yeah, it's not for everyone. So--

Daniel: You're about to take another half or you're thinking about taking some more.

Billy: Because she said, rightly so, she said, "Wait just hold on." just in case kind of thing. And there's obviously been stories about using too much. So an hour and fifteen go by, I'm still not really tripping. I'm literally like staring into the ocean and like the things around me and like I'm just waiting for something to change like I'm just so ready like, "Come one." and so I did another half. I was like, "Fuck this." did another half after an hour and fifteen. 15 minutes later I'm tripping balls and it was amazing. Did you include any visuals and say like, "Did you get visuals. I got [inaudible 0:48:39] everywhere like it's amazing. yeah, why you're not?” I'm like, "No, not at all." 

The part that I really, really enjoyed about it. The most scary part about Acid before I did it was that not being in control obviously. Once I was, you know, tripping and the sun decided to come down this big cliff. So it's getting darker there before it got darker anywhere else. And because suddenly became this like a door, you know, it's just like, “Hey, so the sun is going to come down super calm like the sun is going to come down so it's going to be dark here. Let's head back up there.” She's like, "I don't want to go." I was like, "You bet the sun is going to go." like I explained to her and she's like, "Okay, let's do it." and there's like adventure like getting up there and climb on the other side and we watched the sun go down for like an hour. 

Still no visuals to me. And the same got to about like 20 minutes from being like not visible anymore and like, “Bam”, like the whole sky is going like purple, blue, red, green. Every single color of the rainbow and more. Like colors I've never ever seen before. Everything is moving and I just started crying. I just looked at her and cried. And I noticed it was really-- again, I am still being very dull so like. I didn't want to go and too long about it but-- so the parking situation.

Brandon: 7:30 yeah.

Billy: We're tripping fucking balls. We we're like, "Shit what do we do with the car?" So I think it's so again being like really like responsible in this moment of being not so in control as I usually am. I'm saying to her, "Don't worry about it. I don't want you to feel any negativity about this situation right now. I've got an idea. Let's go to the security guard and tell him, 'Hey, so we wrongly drunk a [inaudible 0:50:12] and drink and the upper mate. We drunk wine on the beach and we don't want to drive and we just want, you know, do the right thing and be responsible. Could you get the car at this car park for us and like, you know, pull it down there?'" and she was like, "Nope, nope, can't do that. Don't want to talk to people, blah-blah." 

In the end, anyway, she calls two of our really good friends. Our gay best friends, they're fucking awesome. Aaron and Garret and they come and pick us up in their truck and then take her car and then drop us off at his-- he lives like five minutes away. We called an Uber from there. We call a normal Uber. They call it for me. It was a little bit hard for me to do. 

Brandon: It's hard to play with that phone.

Billy: Yeah, looking at it, it's so-- it's too interesting and you just like lose focus. So they called an Uber on my phone and it just so happens to be a luxury Uber. Just lucked out. So stepping this Uber it's like a huge like Chrysler and this guy has got like velvet red cushions in there and KitKats on top, water everywher. We literally just get in there and look at each other like, "What? Is this real life?" And this guy hands you this iPad and he goes, "Choose your music, please." and I was like, "Oh my God." and he puts on this awesome fucking mix and the whole ride is like an hour and fifteen at least, journey. So this like Luxury ride velvet. Because she's like I got pictures of her like just hugging this like pillows and it could not have been more perfect. 

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Max: It is kind of amazing how sometimes the Universe tries to blow you away and especially when you're at your most vulnerable.

Billy: I came to you and sat on the sofa, completely noble and sober watching probably about-- I don’t know.

Max: We watched cartoons for the rest of the night.

Billy: I’m sure that must have been so entertaining for you to like for the last like hour or two of my trip to just like, you know, come right down I was just—

Max: I put on the trippiest cartoon that I knew and we had a great time. We ordered food and watched cartoons and had the best night ever. I love hanging out with tripping people.

Brandon: 21st century. It’s just little things.

Billy: I still-- I got to ever do it at festival though. I think it’d be too much for me. And obviously not when I’m playing, so I would never do it then.

Max: No, agreed. And on that same note. The only times that I’ve had a bad time tripping is when I’m a festival and people expect me to be the group leader and I have to make decisions and pick where we’re going, what stage we’re going to, when are we going on the bathroom, keeping everybody together. When all you want to do is just lay in the grass and just melt.

Billy: Yeah.

Brandon: You need a good bus driver. That’s where I come in. I’m the bus driver.

Max: And it’s hard to, again, make those decisions and still let your mind relax and enjoy it fully because you do have to give up to it. You have to let it take you over to a certain extent.

Brandon: The main thing is control, like you mentioned, I mean, just being able to let go. Put everything down and saying like, “Wow, I have no control of what’s going to happen, what I’m going to say, what I’m going to do and let me just melt with everything, everyone around me.” especially psychological.

Max: Right. And when you do that and when you’re not in control, hopefully, the take away at the end of your trip and the first time that I ever did it was mushrooms with all of my best friends after we graduated high school. One of my friend’s grandma has one of the nicest landscaped yards in Cleveland. It has a beach, and a lake, and a pond, and this pool, and like a separate gate house that had snacks and everything that you could possibly want on a trip and we all just laid on the grass and I made a playlist that consisted of everything from Steve Miller Band to Papadosio and Grateful Dad and a lot of trippy stuff. 

And at the end of the trip we were all-- the main take away was that we are all very grateful that we knew each other and we are all very grateful that everything that happened in our lives to bring us to that point. And you do have to let go to kind of let life watch over you and realize that in that moment, you don’t need to make decisions, you just need to appreciate.

Brandon: Right, even if you’ve had a bad trip. Have you ever came out saying, “I’m never gonna do that again, that was the worst experience ever.” I get a learning experiences, even on those bad ones.

Max: Absolutely. You always come to realizations. That’s a good point and my friend Abby who trips all the time, that’s what she says. She says, “Even when I don’t have a good time, I learn something about myself no matter what.” And that’s pretty cool.

Brandon: It’s amazing.

Billy: I’m lucky when our friends like kind of [inaudible 0:54:23] as well they kind of involve them I thought it be kind of funny.

Brandon: You’re either on the bus or off the bus, right.

Max: And now we’re on the bus baby.

Brandon: I’m the bus driver.

Billy: Are you actually-- this way?

Brandon: I don’t see why not.

Billy: I definitely don’t see why not. If you didn’t, I probably took this mic off

Max: Last night was not a proper Sound night for you—

Billy: take a bowl of Hendrick’s first.

Max: Sound is my favorite club in LA and the fact that you guys

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Billy: Thank you for the Hendrick’s by the way.

Max: And the fact that you guys had to experience Sound with a dub step night makes me feel bad because I want you to experience a real good DJ.

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Brandon: I’m upset I was even extending the trip because one of my favorite DJs, Chris Liebing, is playing on Saturday night here.

Max: Oh yeah, Monique raves about him all time.

Billy: Deutsche.

Max: I’ve never seen him either.

Brandon: He just takes it to a whole another level of deep dark sound, I mean, EDC at the—first time we saw him, two – three years ago.

Billy: I’m taking a pee break.

Brandon: Yeah go ahead. He is asking why is the ground shaking, I mean, we are sitting front row in the On Garden because it was last set of the night.

Daniel: He has like KiNK Cloud Generator.

Max: Oh my God, KiNK is my-- Top three, if not one of my-- if not my favorite producer of all time.

Daniel: It’s the thunder that I was feeling like, you know, I’ve been in an earthquake like, “Is this an earthquake?” I don’t know like seriously felt like an earthquake.

Brandon: Anywhere I’ll make sure I see him, I’m in the Time Warp in Germany, I’ve been to-- where else I’ve seen him? I’ve seen him all over the US. Like he’s my guys, I don’t miss. I go and catch him anywhere.

Max: And that’s KiNK for me, but we would absolute be at this weekend as well if not for EDC. This is my first EDC. Billy’s second I believe. They--

Daniel: EDC.

Billy: Yes.

Daniel: Which stage you’re headlining.

Billy: Not headlining but--

Daniel: One of the stages.

Max: Closing.

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Billy: EDC is you.

Daniel: That’s right.

Max: Yeah, but closing is essentially headlining.

Billy: Fucking big deal for me. It’s a huge deal. Side play--

Brandon: You got two stage now

Billy: No, I play cosmic meadow which is like I think maybe the second—

Max: That is the second largest stage.

Brandon: That’s the one when you walk in.

Billy: So I would like to just finish my [inaudible 0:56:31] of the day and like obviously planning that, you know, the sun is gonna come up as I’m playing and like I’ve had goosebumps like the last 15 minutes-- sorry not the last 15 minutes. The last 15 minutes of finishing--

Max: Nice.

Billy: Do it on Monday.

Max: Shouldn’t they do it Friday, so-- I mean, it doesn’t really matter but I’m saying if they drop it on Friday for the people that are listening, go to Billy Kenny at EDC.

Billy: It would be apparent to like share the bus in Monday, I don’t think. To say I’m playing that is 4 until 5:30.

Max: Monday night is going to be a dark day for all of us.

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Brandon: Yeah, but those sets is Sunday or Monday morning, they usually those DJs play until 6-6:30 sometimes they get away with it. I mean you’re on the middle of the desert I don’t know why they can’t extend. However, I know there’s much as certain rules.

Max: It’s a race track [inaudible 0:57:17]

Brandon: In the middle of the desert. So a little play pen.

Billy: I can literally play the first-- the first like 30 seconds of it I guess.

Daniel: Yeah, we’ll get that sneak peak.

Billy: You want sneak peak? Just playing it from my phone, this is probably gonna be sound--

Max: World exclusive.

Daniel: Brandon hiphop.com, I don’t know if I can say that.

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Billy: So that guy talks beautifully for about a minute and this is the most epic build up ever, I feel.

Max: You all gonna lose your shit.

Billy: Yeah. So that. It’s an old speech. It’s like a really old house track, I don’t know the original, but I was really into Speed Garage and someone do the Speed Garage remix it was like one of my favorite tracks as a kid and, you know, we buy like this mixed CDs from the market and stuff of [inaudible 0:58:11]. All CDs and it wasn’t MP3 or WAV or anything and that vocally I just happened to find and I don’t know why I had it in my head and I just thought, “Oh, just in case I can find that vocal.” and I found it and I was just like fist pumping like, “Yes! I got it! I got it!” so I put over at track pie I called Nautica. And I put it on top of it and it’s just—it’s a really, really like epic. 

Brandon: Is it much easier to find songs now or you have to go through a record shop now and go through track by track or can you go online and upload things to a USB or do you still have to-- as far as discovering tracks.

Daniel: Yeah, discovering process, yeah.

Billy: Do you know what, today, I discovered so much just from I searched tracks that I really, really liked the sound of on SoundCloud mp4 and I checked out the recommendations and I’m not really done that before, but, so you get one track that you really like and then underneath that it was a tracks you mail, so like because like this. 

And I guess it goes on, you know, analytics of you know, other people that like that track what else they like. And I end up discovering like ten to fifteen new tracks I’ve never heard, I even showed you in today Max. Like I end up discovering so many new things. Both on people and SoundCloud. Both show recommendations. So I was doing that a lot today.

Max: One of the few things that SoundCloud does well is when you play an individual track, it will automati-- if you’re not in a playlist and you’re not in your feed. They will automatically play the next track that they think similar people like or has a similar sound. I don’t know what their algorithm is for that but I have found that a lot of the time that next track is a hell of a lot better than that first track that I was listening to and that’s a great way to discover music accidently. Finding music accidently is like one of the best feelings.

Daniel: Couldn’t agree more.

Brandon: Couldn’t agree more. No, what was I gonna say next? but as far as DJing goes, do you just carry USBs now? Do you carry Vinyls or what do you mix on.

Billy: USB, I have headphones. Everything seems, I mean, it sounds almost like I don’t deserve like, you know, like it’s effortless now but, I mean, like just the equipment now it’s all, all ready at the club obviously is the way it has for years now, but yeah, I just carry my backpack. Just because I have like a, you know, my GoPro in there. 

Another pouch with like just for headphones and USBs. I just plays really cool in USB it’s called Stealth and they’re like, you can’t even like bite them, shit they’re waterproof, they are everything proof. You can drop it off a plane and like they’d be fine. They actually did a test, tied a brick to it and showed it up like a hundred miles in the air or something like that and like the USB was fine after. But I lost them last weekend, both of them.

Max: Lost your life in the past weekend.

Billy: Oh God yeah. Credit card—I lost my wallet last weekend in Tomberg got it sent back to me, I lost my credit card, somehow, like I have no idea how at all, but it’s not—I think must have paid for something and just not picked it up. So when actually on my Twitter jokingly said, “Lost my credit card, some of the stuff.”  and someone was like, “Yeah, you should start using the hotel cards for that.” Like the hotel keycards. It was genuinely just I must have like, I don’t do that—

Max: You know what I mean.

Billy: That turned me off.

Brandon: No, I get the entire premise of--

Billy: I joke about that, yeah. I literally must have paid for something and just not picked it up. I lost a bunch. I lost-- what else did I lose? Last weekend I lost my headphone. Actually no, we were all going back to back the Mija party I was talking about in Detroit, we’re going to go back to back in the end and I think-- Eyes everywhere, Bryan from Eyes Everywhere-- I think it was Bryan, he messaged me on Facebook like two days like, “Dude, I think I picked up your headphone.” I was like, “Please send me them. like fuck you.” That was like, it was really nice of him and he sent it like really quickly as well and we’re getting ready for the next weekend, so got those back. What else did I lose recently?

Brandon: This was during Movement was it?

Billy: Yeah, that was the Sunday, I moved the last day of Movement-- on second last day of Movement.

Brandon: Was it your first time?

Billy: Yes, first time at Movement.

Brandon: Where you there too Max?

Billy: I didn’t actually go the festival, though.

Max: I was not.

Billy: I didn’t actually go to the festival. It was just an after party. So it’s Mija’s “Fk A Genre”, like and Country Club Disco which is run by two really, really good friends of mine from Detroit. They’re actually the first people to ever book me in America. It’s Golf Clap.

Max: Golf Clap.

Billy: Pick up Golf Clap, I fucking love those guys. They’re absolutely amazing. Hugh has looked after me ever since, like he had my name. And I have a massive respect for that guy. As well as Bryan, Bryan is fucking awesome dude.

Max: Two of the best dudes in the industry, for sure.

Billy: Yup, yup.

Brandon: Really?

Max: Oh yeah. Those guys cannot be more genuine.

Brandon: Is this like a busier season for you guys in summer time or-- for you traveling or --

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Billy: You have to remember-- yeah, well you have to imagine as well, like festival season in Australia is December. Like I just got back for like Fiji Paradise in Fiji.

Brandon: Southern Hemisphere, yeah.

Billy: Yeah, Southern Hemisphere is all-- that’s how obvious. So it doesn’t really stop. But yeah, definitely, you know, in Europe and US, you do to get a lot more shows around this time of year.

Max: Yeah, I mean, a good example as when we first moved here, you were around most weekends and--

Billy: That was actually-- what was the reason? That was to do with my new passport. I needed a new passport. I also needed a Brazilian visa, so my passport was away for a little bit. That was actually the reason for that. People did want to book me. They did want me. I just couldn’t be there.

Max: I mean, it’s a great sign. It sucks that you’re not here on weekends, but you have, I mean, Billy has been gone pretty much every weekend the entire summer, playing three shows.

Billy: [inaudible 1:03:35] two weekends I think.

Max: Yeah, and playing pretty much like three shows a weekend. Which is why I think it is really important that you can fit everything that you need in a book bag. Considering--

Billy: Totally, I could not imagine cutting around vinyl. I could not imagine that. Like, I mean, to play like-- especially like an all-night of set. Imagine playing an all-night of set in a country you’re not from.

Max: It’s a lot of vinyl.

Billy: Yeah, that’s like you need at least like-- at least a hundred tracks.

Max: It’s not practical.

Billy: And they all gonna be fire too. It’s like, I mean, like a lot of people might have like I don’t know, 500 vinyl, but how many of those are they actually gonna play out live?

Max: And then again, you are limited to whatever you have in your bag versus when you’re in Chicago and I show you a new track and you love it. You can download it and play it and open your set with it, like you did at Spring Awakening which is awesome.

Billy: Yeah, imagine that time. That’s has been so hard, like I mean, like now, yeah. I think what you just said, like as soon as I finish a track. It’s media. I can play it that night. I can finish off a track that day and then play it that day. I mean, when it was just vinyl, I’m pretty sure that, that would have taken like so long. 

That’s what probably a big part of like, you know, why the quality of music has dumb down a lot, I think. You know, why there’s a lot less time spent on it. And you know, the shelf life of music isn’t as long. Because it’s just not as much going into it now as they use to be.

Max: I wonder if that’s kind of like the chicken and the egg thing. Whether our generation is so ADD that we only can spend so much time either on a track or--

Billy: We’re all losing focus on pretty much everything. I play lots of diet.

Max: We can’t even get to an album.

Billy: I play lots of diet and probably too much weed smoking.

Max: And Adderall.

Brandon: There’s like two things. It’s like a mixture of what you said, that we can, you know, there’s so much information. We’re always trying to, you know, press so much information, get through this, get through this, get through that. And that there’s so much more music out there, you know, listen to-- I talked to my uncle about music back in the day or in the 60s, 70s, 80s. 

He’s like, “Oh, I could crunch through all the music that just came out and I’d still have so much time to go do everything else I wanted to do, but now if I want to get through everything, it is impossible.” It’s like hundreds of thousands and millions of times more music than there was then. 

Max: Yeah, and something that I hear from a lot of my friends that are really into the scene is that when they are gone for a weekend or either out of the country or maybe they had a final in college. There’s this feeling that you’re missing out on--there’s this [inaudible 1:05:56] that you’re missing out on what’s new. And It’s a saying that people use, “I have to catch up on music. I have to catch up on SoundCloud.” because you know that if you are not on SoundCloud or Beatport for even a day, that you are missing something that you want to be listening to. There isn’t a day go by that doesn’t-- there isn’t a day that goes by where I don’t hear a new track that I was missing in my life yesterday and that’s cool.

Brandon: I agree. I may not make it on SoundCloud at all anymore now. Especially when we’re traveling. We’re getting on the road. We’re in a place with no WIFI if we’re out of the country. It’s tough to get by. It’s tough to get on it. But I mean, there’s a really cool app-- no podcast, it was playing on the way here. It’s called Song Exploder, and it goes over a wide range of music. Let’s say you’re a composer, Hrishikesh Hirway something and he would just get a hold of an artist, I remember for example one was the Gorillaz, their new album. 

They brought all of them for Andromeda and just talking about the entire making of a song. We really like this, you know, one kick drum we had, way back in the day and you know, we’re putting together a new album. We’re like, “Oh, remember that kick drum sample we had. Let’s bring it back over here.” And they go through every little step they took about only 15-20 minute podcast, but in the end after you hear the song in its entirety, they’ll play it again just like, “Oh man, I feel so much more attached to the song and much more of a wholesome connection.”

Max: And that’s a great point and I don’t think that’s something you’ve ever done Billy, but I think it’s a good idea. There’s a of-- a lot of producers will take you through how they made a specific track and I remember one specifically. Kill Frenzy talking about how he made All Night Long.

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Billy: I saw that.

Daniel: I saw that. It connects me to the song really well.

Max: It does and now, every time I hear that track I think about that video. You know what I mean.

Billy: I always think about him saying, “Ride me all night.” because like actually like showed with all the effects is just like Kill Frenzy going, “Ride me all night.”

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Max: He does kind of at a higher voice too.

Billy: It’s like when not in the finish version, it’s like so epic, it’s like, “Ride me all night long.” like he really means it. But like when he shows you that effects, I give it out a laugh, but it was awesome.

Max: That track is amazing. I remember, it was a Spring Awakening after party at--

Billy: Also his album too. Fucking awesome album.

Daniel: Yeah, that was the first ever we camped out that I heard that out.

Max: Yeah, it always goes off. I heard at the Mid for the first time and they turn--whoever the light guy was, killed it. They turned the lights off in the whole place and every time there’s a kick it was just strove, strove, strove, strove. So you would just like see people in different forms of movement. It was a slow strove and it was just like this awesome sexual build and--

Billy: I think I want to play that at EDC.

Max: Yeah.

Billy: Because I can imagine. It is that one part where it’s just he goes, “Ride me all night.” like just that on its own, nothing else and I’m just gonna loop that and just be like “Ride me all night long-lo-o-o-o-o-o” I just fuck with it fade it like with another track at the same time. I will totally gonna do that.

Max: I haven’t been to EDC but just from the pictures and videos it seem like a very--

Daniel: He added as a loop, right. He added as a loop, like he woke up from the night of drinking and he add it as loop stuck in his head like everybody gets a loop when they wake up.

Billy: He definitely fucked a girl that night. He definitely fucked a girl that night.

Daniel: Yeah, he miss that from the video for sure.

Billy: Yeah, yeah, he didn’t mention that.

Max: I mean, all of his tracks are so sexual.

Billy: And probably, I saw his girlfriend-- he actually-- I don’t know if he is-- I’m pretty sure he’s still with his girlfriend, I’m not pretty sure. We’re not massively close, but it’s probably about his girlfriend. Ride me all night long.

Max: It turns out that All Night Long is a modern day love song, so for all of you ladies looking for some kind of Ode or Shakespearean poem and the closes thing you’re gonna get is No Panties or All Night Long so.

Billy: Yeah, oh my God, so the first time I ever met-- Kill Frenzy. The first time I ever met him, I was on tour in Australia. He was on tour with Will Clarke. They’re doing a joint tour. I was on my own. We ended up crossing path and I went to one of the best clubs I’ve ever-- the coolest like shows, like events, I’ve ever seen. It was a place called, in was in Gold Coast and it’s a place called-- oh God, I forgot the name of the actual event, but it was this coolest recollection. Like this coolest crowd. It was the best and legitimately when he played like No Panties, I swear to God at least three panties got handed to him. So he’s just like-- he’s just like waving these panties around these girls have taken off. And I remember just thinking, “I am writing the wrong fucking tracks.”

Max: Yes.

Billy: And so I need to write tracks about panties and like sexy stuff. And I still haven’t got around to yet. I got you girls, it will happen, it will happen.

Max: Inspiration though you have now. That’s all you need.

Billy: I’m just like-- I’m just too like dark. I like-- like we had it dark. I don’t know. I find it really hard write really like friendly happy tracks.

Max: Booty call is kind of friendly but it’s also--

Billy: Yeah, yeah. But to be honest that’s more Maximono than me though. The others are like I would say, you know, 50-50 all like a little bit more me, but that particular one is like definitely like more their style. Yeah, Booty call is the one. That is Lindsey from Texas. Texas I was talking about she smokes weed. That’s actually her vocal. So yeah, the friend from Texas--

Max: What do you think is the most sexual track you’ve ever written?

Daniel: You ask the best questions.

Billy: Oh God. That is a good question, except I don’t know the answers. It’s maybe not the best question. Let me think. I’m gonna say, I mean, it depends how you look at the track.

Daniel: Yes, sexual is different thing to different people

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Billy: Hello, it’s back. It’s back.

Brandon: It’s back.

Billy: We have a technical difficulty. Please play validate the music.

Brandon: You got a little too close for--

Billy: Okay, sorry bye, bye.

Brandon: No, it’s all good. Save your “sorrys”, you’ll need them.

Billy: I fucked up the podcast.

Max: The fucked up thing is somehow the women always end up apologizing to Billy. I don’t know how you do it.

Billy: Oh you think? Why would you say that like I don’t deserve the apologies? Like I’m always the one in the wrong? From last night, we’re not gonna go any detail, but after last night-- what happen last night, I think you-- it’s safe to say that I’m definitely not always in the wrong.

Max: I can’t argue with that.

Billy: Thank you.

Max: Pick up Elena.

Brandon: First on official men, yeah. Never say sorry.

Billy: Yeah.

Brandon: You’re good.

Billy: I feel like people say sorry way too often. Like people like I don’t know. Somebody bumps into you and people politely say, “I’m sorry.” I automatically do it too and then after I’m like, “Fuck, why didn’t I just fucking shove that guy back. Why didn’t he fucking say sorry.”

Brandon: Deserving for a sorry. And we don’t use those sorry.

Billy: Yeah, and it’s just the polite thing to do I guess, I don’t know. But that is thrown away far way too much. Like the word “anxiety” too. “Oh, I get anxiety.” Like, “Fuck off, not everybody gets anxiety.”

Max: Yeah, that’s an American thing.

Billy: Yeah, totally. That’s, “Oh, why do take Xanax?”, “I have anxiety.”, “All right, so what happens when you have anxiety?”, “I don’t know, I just like get it sometimes.”

Brandon: “Do you take more tabs”, “No I’ve never taken tabs.”, “Well, I guess you should take more tabs.”

Max: Yeah.

Brandon: Your anxiety will go away.

Billy: I just see like six bars a night and it’s just like calms me down.

Daniel: Do you use-- for your tracks, do you use third-- are you using third party sample or you create all your own sample?

Billy: In the last year every single pretty much, not every single thing, 90% had been like my own vocals. I fuck around. I’m pretty good at accents and things like that and obviously I fuck with the vocal a lot like Kill Frenzy, you know, he uses a lot of effects to make it not sound like me. Some of them are sounding like me. I just did a track with Mija called After Party Planet and that’s me being very British.

Max: Oh my God.

Daniel: Who names the track when it’s two people.

Billy: Well it just depends on the theme. I mean, like you start with a theme and then you write about the theme and then it kind of just comes together. We’re talking about—the track is called After Party Planet and it’s basically talking about-- we’re at a club and it goes, “Ladies and gentlemen, may I have your attention please. Please grab your beverages and your closes friends and board the AP ship in a timely fashion.” and it say something like, “We plan to land on the After Party Planet in 2055, buckle up the after party planet awaits you.” And then like, sound doing like-- it basically says an After Party Planet. Like when you go to an after party on a different planet and it takes like 50 years to get there. So it’s gonna be the most epic party ever in the world. And that’s we talk about and then Mija talks something on the second drop and she’s going like, “I hope you brought treats.” and like thing-- It’s totally cool, it’s different.

Max: It went absolutely off at Spring Awakening and Mija, you had to go to a different show, but Mija played it at Spring Awakening and she stood up on the decks at the biggest stage at Spring Awakening and it was really cool to see. You make something, well not the specific track, but see you make something in the bedroom and then seeing it played in front of tens of thousands of people is something magical.

Billy: Of course that’s like not new to me now, but I can totally know exactly what you mean like by seeing that and witnessing that. I know exactly what you mean.

Max: Yeah, but you get so excited when you make something new, you call me in your room, “Dude listen to this, listen to this.”

Billy: Yeah, always.

Max: And then the next day, I see it in--

Billy: Yeah often, often I just headphones on two I like working with headphones on. After Max have come home from work and I’m just like bopping so hard, it’s like whenever I’m working on. And like he’ll just have fucking storming me and be like, love coming out of Billy like making a banger or something. I’m just like bopping so hard to myself not knowing that anyone is behind me.

Max: It’s great to come home to that. It’s like a lot of people come home from work and they just want to like vege on the couch, but I get a complete second wind of energy when I see Billy hammering out a track.

Billy: “Hey Max, hey welcome home, how’s your day.” We say, “I miss you and I love you” like every-- like before I leave and when I get back every week. Like every Sunday or Monday depending if I’m playing like a Sunday show, but like we do, we hug each other.

Max: More than I’ve said I love you [inaudible 1:15:29] no doubt.

Billy: We recap every weekend, it’s awesome, I love it. I’m jelling really as I’m sure he is too like we’re jealous each other’s weekend like we’re like, “Wow, he’s having lots of time.” I honestly like often had like 15 different individual people snap chat me at my fucking-- our fucking house. Just raging hard like and I’m just so jealous. Like I wish I was there. Even though, I mean, I’m also having a good time. I’m just like, “Oh, I want to be with my friends.” you know, the close friends I know. 

Max: It’s like a problem I have.

Billy: Yeah, definitely.

Brandon: You guys must have a brunch spot as well.

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Max: We sleep through brunch. Well I mean, when you’re partying until 6AM, you’re not gonna brunch.

Brandon: That’s true.

Max: And we wake up close—we go to lunch.

Billy: We went to lunch. I had my first weekend off in a while.

Brandon: I made a brunch in 5 years.

Billy: Actually when we took that photo of you and Page, I got up and I was like really excited. It was like the first Saturday and we don’t get to hang out in the day because Max is always working. So it’s something like, you know, the evening that we get to hang out and obviously weekends I’m away. So it’s like the first day we get to hang out. So I was like, “Max, Max get up.” like look at him he’s [inaudible 1:16:37] hearing the fucking thunder, like tennis thunder out like, “Hey” and Page the girl is with-- she’s like lit like-- like half of like, so one butt cheek is out, like half her back is, so like half of it is under the [inaudible 1:16:55] and half is not and I thought it would be funny like to just like jump on them both. And like plank on them both. And then a friend of ours, like took their photo of that. And then I was like, “Oh wait, take another one.” And then like I grabbed her ass. I put it on Instagram for like maybe two hours and then I took it down. 

Max: It’s a great picture of--

Billy: I don’t want anybody get the wrong idea about it.

Max: Page and I naked in bed and Billy grabbing her butt with that excited look on her face and me flicking off the camera. It was-- it captured the moment.

Billy: Oh no like this is the best part. So Instagram now has the multiple upload thing. And like-- so I zoomed in, I was like-- This is why it’s kind of acceptable sort of load-- because so I zoomed in on her face and she has the biggest cheesiest fucking grin while I’m doing it. So it’s like three pictures together, is like the main one, then little bit closer and then it zooms right into her big cheesy smile, like while I’m grabbing her ass.

Brandon: That sounds like [inaudible 1:17:46]

Max: It was a beautiful moment and we will have more of those as our time in West Hollywood continues.

Daniel: How long would you work on tracks before developing your own sound. Like in terms of hours.

Billy: What do you mean by before developing my own sound. Because I’ve already develop it before I make the track.

Daniel: No, back when you were developing your sound, like how many hours per day or per week?

Billy: Probably less time because I knew less about the program that I was using. So I was using, I mean, when I first started I used Reason 3. It’s a really good fridge, so like if you’re like really stoned and you get food and then you sit back down in your couch, you just get this “beep beep beep beep beep beep”.

Brandon: I remember he heard it all way from outside before.

Billy: And then it gets more aggressive. It’s like, “Fucking shoot me now beep beep beep

Daniel: It’s an attention whore.

Billy: Back to this person’s question.

Max: As if we didn’t enough in this apartment.

Billy: It use to take me because, you know, there was less things to do because there’s less things I knew about, I mean, I could probably do-- I started making off Grime music. I don’t know if you know what that is, it’s kind of like the British, little bit faster hip hop. Bit more like kind of--

Brandon: like the garage sound

Billy: Kind of yeah. It’s kind off-- well I mean, grime derived from garage and you know that bassy kind of things. Anyway, so it probably takes me like 4 hours when I was like starting out and I don’t know. I mean, I don’t know. I guess it depends like every track. But I mean, now I’ll get a [inaudible 1:19:02] down in about 6 hours and I can probably finish it the next day if I’m really into it. But I’m pretty editty and I lose in tracks really quickly. 

So like I literally write probably like three tracks a week and you’ll probably hear about two of them a month. Like they will actually be released because I’m a big fan of quality control and I would never put anything out there, that I didn’t think was gonna do well.

Daniel: What do you do with those? What do you do with those ones? 

Billy: I mean, often I won’t say their names, but I sell them sometimes. They just get thrown away. I don’t know. Like I have just tons of ideas lying around and stuff. Sometimes I go back to them like a lot later. I’m like, “You know actually that will work.”

Max: When he says, “sell them” he means another producer puts it out under their own name.

Billy: Yeah, yeah. So it’s like--

Max: Ghost producer.

Billy: Yeah, ghost producing.

Daniel: So what makes a single producer’s track stand to you for like, for example Josh Brown, how did you discover him and what stood out about his music from a technical standpoint?

Billy: It’s hard to say that without saying he just stand out that for everyone else. I mean, the structure of tracks are very different. His drum kits are very distinctive, not like anybody else’s-- I just think-- you know, again it’s hard to say at what he does different.

Daniel: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Billy: Because I don’t know. It’s only him that does it. I can’t compare it to anything else. I think he’s just a very young fresh mind with a great, great knowledge of, you know, the software that he’s using. And I think that’s why it makes him really different. And I feel like that’s what makes me different because I never went to University or College or anything like that to learn music. I went to college for like four months, I was like, “Okay, fuck this. I know what I need to know and now, see you.” And then, went off and done different thing. 

And I feel-- but I feel like a lot of people do study music, not always, but I feel like it does restrict what, you know, your creativity because you learn a specific way and you don’t, you know, you learn by the rules. And it’s like, “there’s no fucking rules in music. Do what the fuck you want.” you know, as long as it’s doing well and people like to hear it. There’s no like, “Make sure that you’re setting your [inaudible 1:21:03] and make sure that like you limit this sound and always like pan your high hertz and keep them wide” or it’s like, “Fuck you, I’m making my own thing. This is me.” and I didn’t learn those rules. So I feel like that’s why-- like my stuff in particular, I like to think, it stands out, you know,

Max: I just got the chills.

Billy: Yeah, fuck yeah.

Brandon: New pants. Get them out.

Max: That’s why I’m wearing shorts.

Daniel: I think that, that’s-- that we’ve reached the pinnacle. The end yeah. Climax.

Brandon: Billy and Max.

Billy: There’s never an end to anything.

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Max: This has been so fun. I feel like we could go for another few hours, but we need a new case of beer. I want to play some beer pong.

Billy: Definitely turn this on for like at least a good like 15 minutes when we come back after tonight. We’d come back an after party here.

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Brandon: Everything is set up. Everything has been set up.

Daniel: Yeah, we’ll totally do that. How cool is that, yeah.

Billy: We should-- let’s leave it all here and I mean, I’m sorry if this doesn’t happen for whatever reason, but I think it will be really cool if we do that. Like we still have a few people back here.

Brandon: I’m sold.

Daniel: 15 minutes.

Max: Have you had any podcast where you do like a very separate time cut into one?

Billy: Oh God, I can see it now. So we’re back here like after and we continue the podcast and like the sound was really-- oh what do you think of the sound Billy.

Daniel: You already put together the last 15.

Max: Shit, we don’t have to do it anymore.

Brandon: Well done. We need to go. Well done.

Billy: We can just pretend right now.

Brandon: And in prompt go. Sound so good.

Billy: What’s the name of this podcast?

Brandon: On The Bus podcast.

Billy: Start singing slowly.

Brandon: On The Bus.

Billy: On The Bus podcast. On The Bus podcast we’re leaving now, On The Bus—I keep saying compast. Wait okay so we have to beat as well. On The Bus podcast, we’re leaving now. On The Bus podcast we’re leave now. On The Bus podcast leaving now! We’re leaving now. 

Max: Yeah.

Daniel: Unbelievable.

Billy: Thanks for the an-libs Max. Love you.

Brandon: Thank you guys so much.

Billy: Thanks. Thank you dude. Enjoyed it. Thank you.

Brandon: Bus out. Peace guys.

Billy: Lots of love.

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